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Ben Cantrick
  Date: 2006-10-07 23:03
  Subject:   Today's stupid people update: Another innocent man in Gitmo.

We NEED to give the President unlimited power to detain people indefinitely without charge, because we all know that our government never makes mistakes. Right?

Oh, except in the case of this guy, who was thrown into Gitmo for the crime of... Visiting Pakistan in late 2001 on a vacation. They kept him imprisoned for 5 years, ages 19 to 24. Those are big years, and he's never, ever going to get them back. The Bush administration, and all the stupid shills who support unlimited power for them, have made sure of that.

Murat Kurnaz once had a "normal" life too. He wanted to start a family in Germany, along with his Turkish fiancé. He had completed his apprenticeship as a shipbuilder. He played guitar in his free time and liked sports -- like many other people his age. Then he travelled to Pakistan in the fall of 2001, apparently in order to devote time to his religious faith and expand his knowledge about Islam by visiting religious schools. He was "in the wrong place at the wrong time," is what insiders in Washington say -- sometimes cynically, sometimes laconically. They know Kurnaz was innocent when he was apprehended and detained. The United States -- and Germany -- discovered quite quickly that the accusations against Kurnaz were groundless. And yet he was not released.


I am not sorry that I've constantly offended Dubya supporters. You people deserve every last teaspoon of scorn I can heap on. Fuck all of you blind, unthinking idiots.
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osmium_ocelot: crater
  User: osmium_ocelot
  Date: 2006-10-08 02:06 (UTC)
  Subject:   It gets "better"...
... have you seen this clause in the torture bill?

"No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever, including any action pending on or filed after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, relating to the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures of military commissions under this chapter."

Can we all say "constitutional crisis"?

There's a whole article here : http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/290906torturebill.htm

Though I haven't had the time to verify it, I don't for a second doubt it.
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2006-10-08 04:45 (UTC)
  Subject:   (no subject)
Yeah, posted about that already, in the "And so the US legalizes torture" post.
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  User: osmium_ocelot
  Date: 2006-10-08 12:47 (UTC)
  Subject:   (no subject)
I saw that post, but didn't see specific reference to that particularly egregious clause, so I thought I'd point it out.

Do you think they could lock you up for inciting revolution by using the Declaration of Independence? And if they did, do you think anybody would notice or care?
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2006-10-09 07:36 (UTC)
  Subject:   (no subject)
Do you think they could lock you up for inciting revolution by using the Declaration of Independence?

Oh sure. Remember, signing the DoI was treason back in the day. Those who signed it were risking their lives.

And if they did, do you think anybody would notice or care?

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Z to the K: grrhimax by pyro_squirrel
  User: zk273
  Date: 2006-10-08 15:52 (UTC)
  Subject:   (no subject)
Keyword:grrhimax by pyro_squirrel
Kindly remove me from your friends list.

It has become apparent to me that I no longer have any reason to keep reading your posts when all you have to offer me is contempt for the mere sin of disagreeing with you politcally. Furthermore, if you'll forgive me this observation... you seem uninterested in winning people over to your side, but instead you violently judge them if they show even a shred of support for your eternal nemesis, Shrubby McCokespoon.

Goodbye, Ben. I guess some people don't suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome... they enjoy every second of it.
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2006-10-08 23:26 (UTC)
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  User: triggur
  Date: 2006-10-09 05:27 (UTC)
  Subject:   (no subject)
"winning people over" ?

If, at this point, after 6 years of criminal behavior, after starting an unjustified war, after causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and TENS of thousands of Iraqis, after stripping people of their rights, after trampling the constitution, after appeasing the fundies...

... if after all that, you still need some guy on the Internet to "win you over," you're totally unreachable, and-- quite frankly-- part of the problem.
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  User: (Anonymous)
  Date: 2006-10-08 23:18 (UTC)
  Subject:   (no subject)
We're legalizing torture, we're giving the president a carte blanche to seize people and detain them without cause and without the opportunity to face charges in a court and you take issue with Ben's tone? You've got larger problems than his sour disposition then. Some seriously distorted priority and perspective if you're concerned more with harsh language over the blatant power grab by the executive branch and the Bill of Rights being utterly compromised.

Here's something else to chew on since you seemed to have missed so many of the *actual* links to facts that have been posted in this lj. So much so that you'd rather bring up style over actual substance.


I would like you to, especially, take note of this bit of the article:

On Wednesday evening, the House voted 308-122 to urge negotiators to include McCain's torture ban in the final version of a defense spending bill.

"The majority of the House spoke last night, the majority of the Senate has already spoken. I hope that we can get this resolved within the next 24 hours so the House and Senate can vote and move forward," McCain said.

"We've sent a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists. We have no grief for them, but what we are is a nation that upholds values and standards of behavior and treatment of all people, no matter how evil or bad they are," McCain said. "I think that this will help us enormously in winning the war for the hearts and minds of people throughout the world in the war on terror."

Bush said the ban "is to make it clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we adhere to the international convention of torture, whether it be here at home or abroad."

Remember, sticks and stones may break my bones, but a corrupt government will fuck you and the world up. Words? Not so much. Next time, you may want to look what's inside the package rather than getting bent over the package it comes in.

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