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Ben Cantrick
  Date: 2007-04-17 17:05
  Subject:   Whackjob shoots up VT. Nation not amused.
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  Music:The Dead Milkmen - Violent School



http://www.adamsrust.com/current/gunsinschool.html


Violence rules.
Violence rules!
Violence RULES!
VIOLENCE RULES!!

Violence rules! Guns are cool! And we've got guns, in our schools.
Violence rules, guns are cool! And we've got guns, in our schools!


http://www.elyrics.net/read/d/dead-milkmen-lyrics/violent-school-lyrics.html
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2007-04-18 04:31 (UTC)
  Subject:   Personally, I blame the media.
http://dustinland.com/archives/archives285.html
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Ashfae
  User: ashfae
  Date: 2007-04-18 19:50 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
Damn, that's accurate.
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2007-04-18 22:51 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
"Everybody is wanting to know what music were the kids listening to, or what movies were they watching. Who gives a fuck what they was watching! Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can't be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?"

- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206636/quotes


If there was ever a nutbag, the guy that did this was surely it...
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  User: (Anonymous)
  Date: 2007-04-18 23:02 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
I, also, don't like this trend of 'Omg, what music/video games/tv or movies did they watch?

Because, you know, violence didn't exist before things like video games and movies were invented...

While I don't deny that external influences can have a *huge* impact on a person's behavior, we've turned into a culture of blame-everyone/everything-else-but-the-perpetrator.


-J
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2007-04-18 23:33 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.

http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerevolution/impact/myths.html

Basically, no amount of playing video games can make you flip out (ninja)and kill stuff(/ninja) unless you're already crazy.

As for Seung-Hui, after reading his plays and hearing some stuff his roommate wrote about him, I think it's very likely that he was horribly sexually abused. And you can't be sexually abused by a video game...
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Ben Cantrick
  User: mackys
  Date: 2007-04-20 00:40 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
"Cho's dorm room did not contain any video games or video gaming systems. Cho's roommate has stated that he never even saw his roommate playing video games during his rare appearances in the dorm suite."

http://gaygamer.net/2007/04/warrant_reveals_no_games_in_ch.html


So much for the "video games made him do it" theory...
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  User: (Anonymous)
  Date: 2007-04-20 17:36 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
In all honesty, I tend to swing to the opposite end of the pendulum when it comes to people who scream, "Omg, where's personal responsibility!" in light of criminals who have lived through some horrendous experiences. But, I also tend swing to the opposite, yet again, when people try to blame everything, but the perpetrator of a crime.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and a combination of factors with certain elements being more signficant than anything else, but my largest issue is that the population, as a whole, tend to want to fit things in neat, little boxes.

Watch the news and you'll see every interviewer asking some psychologist/psychiatrist/expert, "What was the biggest factor in him/her going all psychonutso?" Watch a sportscaster talking about a game (or after the game) and say, "Gee, Bob Explayer, what do you think is *the* reason X team is failing against Y team?"

We're a nation (and a world, probably) that want tidy, simple answers to questions that have gradations and multiple facets to them. If the world could be simplified to cliche and rhetoric like "Just do it" or pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, we wouldn't have the problems we do.

Shit, our own leader reduces centuries old dilemmas to terms like 'cut and run' and 'emboldening enemies' though I suspect he's incapable of *and* unwilling to examine issues at depth. There are certainly times to burn a problem in a crucible to reduce it to its major components to identify primary objectives, but to reduce everything into 5 second soundbytes or to turn it into some platitude is simplistic and folly.
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  User: (Anonymous)
  Date: 2007-04-20 17:36 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
-J
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  User: (Anonymous)
  Date: 2007-04-20 19:03 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
that's a pretty good point,

"If the human eye can see approximately 16.4 million distinguishing shades of color, why do we continue to paint pictures in black and white?"

There is much more than a simple answer, and simple answers don't usually exist. Everything contributes to the whole, nothing can be cleanly compacted and put into a small box or category. So WHY do we continue to do this? It's not the media; it's not movies, it's not video games, its not music. It happened to be a sick individual who had MANY influences and experiences that contributed to his overall mental health and came together to a point to where they chose to cross a line. And as it seems, it's not what we typically blame, the media.

Of course that's an irony in itself, the media blaming the media.
yikes...

-Liam
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  User: (Anonymous)
  Date: 2007-04-20 17:50 (UTC)
  Subject:   Re: Personally, I blame the media.
Since nothing was found in his room to blame, who believes they will mention that fact?

Just yesterday at lunch the almighty Fox news was saying that their was a "muslim connection" because he used the word martyr in his writings. Not that the fear stricken public would acknowledge the use of the word martyr and see that this was completely off base. No, their attention was locked onto the 250pt BOLD font emblazoned on the screen saying "Muslim Connection." Not only do we not BLAME those responsible (ie the crazy MF) but we come up with a wild accusation to blame something that drives other news worthy sponsorship and we inject it into the public conscience!

Who does that benefit? Does it benefit the millions of US Muslims who do not believe in violence, NO! Why does a channel that states being "the largest most respected news source in america" use such low level tactics to abuse the nations population and further deepen the rift between mid-east relations. Such MF hypocrites, I just don't get it.

And coincidently they did interview someone on Fox news at the same moment as this alleged connection that was trying to blame the media! Not one word on Fox news stating that NOTHING of media related influence was even found in his possession. And no mention that his family was Christian. Argh, what's wrong with simple news reporting the facts, instead they have to make allegations, jump to conclusions and editorialize their reports.

I am glad however that his foreign status has been played down and that we are not blaming "foreigners" all together. And that they are investigating all the signs of his apparent schizophrenic, severely anti-social, crazy behavior; and pointing out interestingly enough, that all these issues could have been dealt with and potentially cured if the warning signs were heeded to more strictly.

As tragic and terrible as the event was, this is another warning sign of the dangers of our self destructive society that promotes fierce individualism and privatization of support, and condemns the aspects of community social support and responsibility. People need to be aware that someones issues are not always their own, they are a reflection on everyone and our society. If someone needs a helping hand, offer it, don't pass the buck and say it's not my problem.

As the old adage says, "it takes a village to raise a child".

cheers
- Liam
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